tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post443922785483495945..comments2024-02-02T12:19:39.504-07:00Comments on V for Victory!: Yes, Please Keep Your Cooties to YourselfAnita Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-72355041673030922422011-12-11T17:14:58.459-07:002011-12-11T17:14:58.459-07:00They say the hand-holding came from Marriage Encou...They say the hand-holding came from Marriage Encounter. I'm not in a position to weigh in on that theory. Wherever it came from, it took root at Mass (hopefully a very shallow root) and then just got more ridiculous from there.Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-70567559476050566292011-12-11T15:37:59.562-07:002011-12-11T15:37:59.562-07:00We have a priest at our parish that makes us cross...We have a priest at our parish that makes us cross the isles to hold hands so that the whole church is holding hands. Where did that come from? I really hate that practice but hate to disobey a priest. I always thought men holding hands with other men they didn't even know was very silly. Who started that?BThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09370699357457078752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-25661098439252556852011-12-10T11:45:04.783-07:002011-12-10T11:45:04.783-07:00Fortunately, my home parish in Ohio doesn't go...Fortunately, my home parish in Ohio doesn't go in for the hand holding, yet. <br />Unfortunately, my vacation parish I go to in Arizona goes for it whole hog. I have given up holding my hands in the orans posture and now clasp them tightly in front of me with my eyes closed and head buried deep within my chest. However, that doesn't deter the determined hand holder. <br />Even isolating myself in the farthest reaches of the pew as little to no effect. The hand holder hunter has gone as far as two rows away to nab that elusive mitt of mine. <br />Thanks for bringing this up.<br />Now, if only I could have a silent moment during communion instead of the choir belting out a song, I'd be a happy communicant.Charlie Bethelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564432246499125375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-35184195377713776252011-12-09T04:39:55.693-07:002011-12-09T04:39:55.693-07:00Hand holding belies a false sense of unity among p...Hand holding belies a false sense of unity among participants at Mass. Our unity is created by our being admitted into the mystical body of Christ through the Lord's actions, not our own. He prays that all be one in Him. The "V" and goalie signs are also inappropriate at Mass. Notice that those who wave, joke or laugh at the Sign of Peace almost never strike their breasts at the Confiteor.Margueritehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16188287986455774014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-67129758547734523342011-12-07T15:04:39.329-07:002011-12-07T15:04:39.329-07:00Softening up the faithful by breaking down their i...Softening up the faithful by breaking down their inhibitions with the goal (or at least, result) of making the faithful susceptible to all sorts of odd ideas. This is very perspicacious of you, Anita. I'd never thought about that nefarious aspect of hand-holding, but it sure rings true!Muscovitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06192970053483667938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-27425021365164847752011-12-04T13:37:09.743-07:002011-12-04T13:37:09.743-07:00Bob, I had the actual used kleenex in my hand...st...Bob, I had the actual used kleenex <i>in my hand...</i>still made no impression.<br /><br />Sean: it may well be that hand-holding is of Protestant provenance, perhaps via some goofy retreat program. I know it's been going on at least since I was in grade school (and we don't need to get into how long ago that was, though it is the blink of an eye in the life of the Church). You are right that it does detract from the true communion that already exists.<br /><br />Jay: I too wish we could get rid of the sign of peace, which is OPTIONAL in the Ordinary Form, and which invariably devolves into a cocktail party without the cocktails. I wish priests would exercise the option NOT to do it. However, I have had a priest tell me that when priests do exercise it, the people tend to go ahead and do it anyway.Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-60966914293691958032011-12-04T10:47:03.725-07:002011-12-04T10:47:03.725-07:00And then there's the "sign of peace"...And then there's the "sign of peace"...ugh. <br /><br />Great post, Anita! I agree completely.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09927474235629912604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-61159461454647657582011-12-04T09:33:10.431-07:002011-12-04T09:33:10.431-07:00Here's my thought on this - and I haven't ...Here's my thought on this - and I haven't seen it in either yours or Father Z's discussion of this topic. You mention intimacy. I think hand holding is aimed right at creating this "sense of intimacy" at the *wrong place in the Mass*! Approximately 5-10 minutes after the Pater Noster, is the most intimate experience any person will ever (or could ever) have, the reception of Our Lord and Savior "under our roof". Now *there* is intimacy - with Our Lord, and with His Body the Church.<br /><br />My belief is that hand-holding crept into Mass from Protestantism, where "being gathered in His name" is truly the most intimate approach they get to Our Lord. The Our Father might be the high point of their service. It might be that for Protestants, hand hold is really a very correct - maybe even necessary - gesture to highlight that intimacy.<br /><br />But at Holy Mass, where we have the fullness of Christ's Faith, our high point is quite different.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16953852951109404908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-55944366190081137442011-12-03T23:40:33.047-07:002011-12-03T23:40:33.047-07:00Oh, my goodness. Well, then leave the snot on you...Oh, my goodness. Well, then leave the snot on your fingers. Or let them see you picking your nose.Old Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01678341854029479678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-19588760326357653362011-12-03T23:29:10.524-07:002011-12-03T23:29:10.524-07:00Those are great, Bob! Made me laugh out loud.
...Those are great, Bob! Made me laugh out loud. <br /><br />I have tried blowing my nose and holding onto a kleenex, but the touchy-feelies in my parish were no more deterred by that than a charging rhinoceros would be by a thorny hedge.Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31669215.post-51298880195518154962011-12-03T23:19:13.963-07:002011-12-03T23:19:13.963-07:00I have some suggestions that I can almost guarante...I have some suggestions that I can almost guarantee will make people want to stay away from you.<br />1, Eat a cold can of baked beans with a bottle or two of beer as a midnight snack; if you go to evening Mass, have that for lunch.<br />2, Smoke a big stinky cigar right before Mass.<br />3, Work on your car's engine (the dirtier the better) right before Mass; leave the black grease all over your hands; rinsing hands lightly with gasoline is recommended.<br />4, (Extreme) dress down -- waaaay down. Do not bathe or change clothes for a week. Look like a street person, or one who crawled out from under a bridge or out of a railroad boxcar. Use scent to match.Old Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01678341854029479678noreply@blogger.com