"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill, May 13, 1940
Ugh! I still remember my first NO Mass (before clowns and such) on my return to the church after my youthful hiatus. Having no knowledge of Vat II I was so shocked it was another few years before I actually returned via SSPX (which didn't ultimately go well.) St. Joan of Arc is packed to the rafters with young families with lots of cute babies. Our local NO parish, which is by no means "crazy" with their liturgy, is not packed with young people - most of whom have simply left the church. I rest my case.
Allow me to add "follow the money." September figures: St. George's budgeted needs = $28,600.00. Actually collections for the month = $18,549.15. I don't know what St. Joan's budgeted income needs were, but September's collection was $86,178.97 and another $38,367.00 for the capital campaign (building fund.)
I know from having attended St. George's when Father Bill (RIP) kindly took in the SSPX refugees and provided a Latin Mass for us that you can not run that parish on $18K.
Adrienne, I think (without being able to prove) that the collections at TLMs here far outstrip collections at NO Masses. There is a TLM once a month at one of the local parishes down here, and I have never been able to get a straight answer to the question, how do the collections at that Mass stack up to the rest of the Masses? (I've asked several times.) I myself have always written bigger checks at the TLM than at the NO, and I know I'm not the only one.
The only place here that has the TLM exclusively is the SSPX chapel and it is chock-a-block with babies. I much prefer going there even to the monthly TLM at the regular parish -- not because I don't want to associate with that parish or its people, but because the whole ethos at a church that has only the TLM is vastly different to one that doesn't. Also, a priest who has only ever celebrated the TLM does it differently to one who hasn't. For the first time in my life, I can have Mass without distractions. If I had to sum it up in one word, I'd call it quiet. Even with all the crying babies, it's quiet. The whole thing is calming. It's the quiet of peace and order. The average NO parish, on the other hand, is full of disorder and therefore full of noise. Even the architecture (in the case of new churches) and furnishings, are noisy. I know there are those who will dispute this opinion, and say their parish church isn't like that; but I'm sorry, that is my experience.
If I had to sum it up in one word, I'd call it quiet.
YES!
When I don't attend the 10:30 sung Mass, I'm always struck by the quiet at Mass. However, even the sung Mass is "quiet" because of the reverence of the people. If "they" manage to completely suppress the FSSP, I have no idea of what I'd do since I've come to abhor the NO Mass.
S. S. P. X. Even if you previously had bad experiences at their church. (I wonder if it's the same priests now as then? PF is where the priests come from who serve our chapel, and the one who serves as pastor has only been ordained 3 years.)
Ugh! I still remember my first NO Mass (before clowns and such) on my return to the church after my youthful hiatus. Having no knowledge of Vat II I was so shocked it was another few years before I actually returned via SSPX (which didn't ultimately go well.) St. Joan of Arc is packed to the rafters with young families with lots of cute babies. Our local NO parish, which is by no means "crazy" with their liturgy, is not packed with young people - most of whom have simply left the church. I rest my case.
ReplyDeleteAllow me to add "follow the money." September figures: St. George's budgeted needs = $28,600.00. Actually collections for the month = $18,549.15. I don't know what St. Joan's budgeted income needs were, but September's collection was $86,178.97 and another $38,367.00 for the capital campaign (building fund.)
ReplyDeleteI know from having attended St. George's when Father Bill (RIP) kindly took in the SSPX refugees and provided a Latin Mass for us that you can not run that parish on $18K.
I rest my case a second time.
God bless, Anita.
Adrienne, I think (without being able to prove) that the collections at TLMs here far outstrip collections at NO Masses. There is a TLM once a month at one of the local parishes down here, and I have never been able to get a straight answer to the question, how do the collections at that Mass stack up to the rest of the Masses? (I've asked several times.) I myself have always written bigger checks at the TLM than at the NO, and I know I'm not the only one.
DeleteThe only place here that has the TLM exclusively is the SSPX chapel and it is chock-a-block with babies. I much prefer going there even to the monthly TLM at the regular parish -- not because I don't want to associate with that parish or its people, but because the whole ethos at a church that has only the TLM is vastly different to one that doesn't. Also, a priest who has only ever celebrated the TLM does it differently to one who hasn't. For the first time in my life, I can have Mass without distractions. If I had to sum it up in one word, I'd call it quiet. Even with all the crying babies, it's quiet. The whole thing is calming. It's the quiet of peace and order. The average NO parish, on the other hand, is full of disorder and therefore full of noise. Even the architecture (in the case of new churches) and furnishings, are noisy. I know there are those who will dispute this opinion, and say their parish church isn't like that; but I'm sorry, that is my experience.
God bless you too!
If I had to sum it up in one word, I'd call it quiet.
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When I don't attend the 10:30 sung Mass, I'm always struck by the quiet at Mass. However, even the sung Mass is "quiet" because of the reverence of the people. If "they" manage to completely suppress the FSSP, I have no idea of what I'd do since I've come to abhor the NO Mass.
S. S. P. X. Even if you previously had bad experiences at their church. (I wonder if it's the same priests now as then? PF is where the priests come from who serve our chapel, and the one who serves as pastor has only been ordained 3 years.)
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